RE : Korg M1 (Programming & Questions?)

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:09 pm

Mick,
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Miks wrote:
I don't think you can SPLIT in PROG? Just SINGLE and (2 x OSC) LAYER.
I think so - but I'm not 100% sure... 8O but a look into the owners manual may shed some light on this.
No, it seems you can't SPLIT in PROG. Just SINGLE or LAYER (pages 21 and 22 of User Guide).

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:28 pm

Hi Miks,
Miks wrote:BTW: here's a German website offering a very good sound set (BigMix1) for the M1:

http://www.bap-software.de/index.php/de/bigmix1

EVERY sound of this set can be heard as a little demonstration just by klicking on its name...

This website also offers the "M1Manager", a versatile sound manager for the M1/M1R (which I have). After a free download you can use it for 30 days without any restrictions - after that time period it'll just stop working - or you by a license key to (re)activate it unlimited. But I don't know if there's an English version too... 8O
Thank you very much indeed for that. The website translates into English (it has a choice of German and UK flags) but I have know idea about the software?

I had a listen to some of the sounds. The ANALOGUE ones are very good. I had no idea that they were this good from what I remember from the 90's. I thought the M1's strengths were ORCHESTRAL sounds, but it seems the opposite when listening to these demo's. However, for early 90's, the ORCH sounds were quite ground breakingly realistic when compared to rival synths.

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:56 pm

but I have know idea about the software?
I'm quite sure that the M1Manager is available only in German language. I run the program and found no settings where you can change the language :(

Have you listened to this sounds? P64 B3-Perc, C64 RotaryOrg, P92 Jump Synth (P stands for PROG, C stands for COMBI...) Some of my favourites :D
The C64 RotaryOrg is programmed to alter the rotary speed by using a foot controller (i.e. Yamaha FC7). Works very well (imho).

BTW you may have a look here (lots of informations for M1):
http://tlittle72.tripod.com/


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:50 am

Dear Mr 'Senior Member' Mike! :wink:
Miks wrote:I'm quite sure that the M1Manager is available only in German language. I run the program and found no settings where you can change the language
Oh dear, that's a shame. Though I may email the creator just to double check. Thanks though in any case.
Miks wrote:Have you listened to this sounds? P64 B3-Perc, C64 RotaryOrg, P92 Jump Synth (P stands for PROG, C stands for COMBI...) Some of my favourites. The C64 RotaryOrg is programmed to alter the rotary speed by using a foot controller (i.e. Yamaha FC7). Works very well (imho).
Yes, I certainly did. I was disappointed with the ORCH sounds because by todays standards, they sounds quite cheesy. But in 1990 they were groundbreaking. I did wonder how the demonstrator changed the LEZLIE SPEED! I thought it was by VELOCITY TOUCH (which you can do of course) but analyzing his playing I could hear that 'VT' would not have been possible (in this instance). Plus he was playing with BOTH hands and the JOYSTICK obviously can not be placed in a hold position. But yes, it was a great sound.

The sound which inspired me was the classic UNIVERSE. But because it had an ascending GLIDE applied to it! It really threw me because I was not expecting that at all!

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:36 am

Mick,
Miks wrote:BTW you may have a look here (lots of informations for M1): http://tlittle72.tripod.com/
Ta mate.

It says there is a trick called DOUBLE PROGRAM MODULATION where you LAYER 2 x OSC's in PROG (like we were talking about earlier). You may find this interesting.

Also note, when you LAYER OSC 1&2 in PROG, you are down from 16 x note Polyphony to 8 (though you probably knew this).

Paul
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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:39 am

Dear Mr 'Senior Member' Mike!
WOW - me - a Senior Member - having five stars - that's too much honour for an old chap like me :wink: What have I done to deserve this? :D
It says there is a trick called DOUBLE PROGRAM MODULATION where you LAYER 2 x OSC's in PROG (like we were talking about earlier). You may find this interesting.
Yes, it's interesting indeed - will keep this hint in mind. Could be useful in future...


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Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:24 pm

Mick,
Miks wrote:WOW - me - a Senior Member - having five stars - that's too much honour for an old chap like me. What have I done to deserve this?
Must be to do with all them young girls you chat up on your gigs! :lol:

Now, this is something I hope I can explain clearly:-

If you edit a patch in PROG (lets say the RELEASE TIME of FRETLESS BASS [009]), you would increase the 'R' parameter (using the 'A~H' keypad under the display) to (say) '+10'. No problem.

And you decide you are quite happy with this EDIT and wish to SAVE it. Lets assume for now you simply OVERWRITE it (ie to the same location). Again, no problem.

Then a couple of gigs down the line you decide that in actual fact, there is too much RELEASE TIME applied to the FRETLESS BASS patch. The obviously thing to do would be to re-enter PROG mode, and re-adjust the RELEASE TIME again to suit your needs. In theory this is ok, but the problem (for me) is that:-

When you visually look at the RELEASE TIME setting, it does not say (as I would have thought/hoped) '+10', but defaults back to ZERO! Ok, so most people, even after a few beers would remember that they increased the RELEASE TIME by '+10', but what if you had altered several parameters? And you wanted to re-set the patch to its DEFAULT and then start again from fresh. You would be totally screwed because all of the 'A~H' parameters will be showing ZEROS and there would be no way of knowing/remembering what you had initially adjusted!

In which case, lets say you EDIT a few of the 'A~H' parameters and before you SAVE it, the screen will look something like:-

Att=+10 / Dec=-2/ Sus=+6/ Rel=-9/ and so on...

That's great, but when you exit PROG and then return to it (the same patch) again, the display reads:-

Att=0 / Dec=0/ Sus=0/ Rel=0/ and so on...!

Surely it would be better to show:-

Att=+10 / Dec=-2/ Sus=+6/ Rel=-9/ and so on... because then you can see (compare) how/what has been changed compared to the factory DEFAULT!?

This has played on my mind for about 20 x years of so, believe it or not!

Thanks,

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:10 am

Wow - that's strange 8O
Haven't experienced that behaviour yet - but as I said - I'm not that much in programming... But if I'll find the time I'll do some testings to see if I can confirm this or not. Maybe it's depending on the firmware the M1 is fitted with... :?:


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Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:37 am

Mike,
Miks wrote:Haven't experienced that behaviour yet - but as I said - I'm not that much in programming... But if I'll find the time I'll do some testings to see if I can confirm this or not. Maybe it's depending on the firmware the M1 is fitted with.
Ok, that may be so. I bought mine in about 1989.

That would be really great if you could try it out please. You only need to change one small 'A~H' parameter just to test it. Then you can easily change it back after running the test.

Thanks,

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Unread post by Miks » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:05 pm

You only need to change one small 'A~H' parameter just to test it. Then you can easily change it back after running the test.
Ok mate - I'll be back with the result as soon as I have tested this - but first I have to hook up my M1R to my SY99 via MIDI... :wink:

BTW I suppose you've seen this one before... 8) but just in case - here's the link:
http://pcgtools.mkspace.nl


My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:35 pm

Mike,
Miks wrote:Ok mate - I'll be back with the result as soon as I have tested this - but first I have to hook up my M1R to my SY99 via MIDI
Oh, do you have the M1R and not the M1? In your photo you are playing an M1! In any case, I do not think you need to MIDI up the M1R to test this out because it is only a matter of changing/looking at one of the 'digits' on the display.
Miks wrote:BTW I suppose you've seen this one before... http://pcgtools.mkspace.nl
Thanks for the link. Do you use this yourself? Also, would there ever be any reason/advantage to taking a laptop on a gig, MIDI-ing it to your M1, and using the PGC TOOLS program to perform whatever tasks?

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:59 pm

Hi,

Would anyone care to explain (please) in more detail (other than what the USER GUIDE informs) the definition of 'AI SYNTHESIS'.

As I interpret it, the M1 allows the user the manipulate DIGITAL sounds in a manner not dissimilar to that on ANALOGUE synths? So, if you will, it is a little bit like 'VIRTUAL' in that you can virtually edit the (say) 'ATTACK TIME' of a DIGITAL Brass sound using the same steps, and obtaining the same end result, as you would on an 'ANALOGUE' synth? But in reality, the M1 is just replicating what would happen because (quite obviously) it is number crunching rather than dealing with VOLTAGES.

And 'AI SYNTHESIS', what does ADVANCED INTERGRATED mean please? Or is it just salesmanship jargon!? :? I mean, is it a term which only applies specifically to the M/T/OW range of synths?

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:06 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote:
Oh, do you have the M1R and not the M1
I have both of them - see my signature :wink: The M1 is at the rehearsal room and the M1REX I have here at home.
Haven't tried PGC TOOLS yet. As for me I'm not using any computers while gigging - and I guess I never will - but you never know... :wink:


My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:43 pm

Miks,
Miks wrote:Maybe it's depending on the firmware the M1 is fitted with?
I remember once that when I played on my friends M1 (which he purchased in a different year to me), mine had a few different WAVEFORMS to his, and mine also had some missing.

I am NOT talking about the actual PRESETS in PROG or COMBI here, but rather the fundamental WAVESHAPES which make up those sounds. I think the M1 had a total of about 250 of these stored on it?

Thanks,

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:55 pm

I think it's in the amount of Multi-Sounds... the 'normal' M1/M1R have 100 of these, the M1EX/M1REX have 190 Multi-Sounds and a bit more Drum-Sounds... see attachment
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My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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