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Re: reface cp hands-on review

Unread post by woodshedjones » Mon May 08, 2017 6:01 pm

I've given up posting on Yamahasynth.com. There's no one there responding and also it doesn't work from mobile so I'd have to go and fire up the old computer machine which rarely happens in my day to day life.

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Re: reface cp hands-on review

Unread post by Derek » Mon May 08, 2017 7:44 pm

woodshedjones wrote:Here's the reply from Yamaha UK support after I told them the way to recreate the piano sound.

"Hi Adam
Thank you for letting me know
I have had a reply from Japan to say that there is a hidden piano voice inside Reface CP, but would not say how to acquire this voice or pass on information on selecting this voice
So now that I'm aware I'm not allowed to let customers know. How frustrating
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Lovely response that shows how good people can be hampered by a corporate behemoth.
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Re: reface cp hands-on review

Unread post by Saul » Mon May 08, 2017 8:04 pm

Always makes me laugh when I hear a response like that from Yamaha. It's almost like a comedy sketch or like it's permanently April 1st at Yamaha Japan.

So, WHY would they "hide" an acoustic piano inside the reface cp in the first place?

Perhaps really there is just one sample inside the reface cp and the all the sounds in it are derived from that?

Anyway as I mentioned before, Yamaha do have reasons for the way they do things. It's just a mystery to most of us why certain decisions are taken but then we are not privy to what goes on behind the scenes.

Yamahasynth.com "should" be the go to place for info but I think they have the wrong people running it. What they should have done is not bothered with it and instead invest their not insignificant resources over here, where at least people will get an answer :) Maybe they will get it eventually.
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Re: reface cp hands-on review

Unread post by m.tarenskeen » Tue May 09, 2017 1:17 pm

This review would not be complete without this amazing, recently discovered, easter egg:

Turn off the CP.
Place the instrument selector button midway between any two instruments.
Make sure it stays there when you take your hand away.
Turn on the CP.
You now have an acoustic piano sound. The instrument indicator will state RdI, even if it's actually between Clv and Toy, for example.
Turn the knob either way and it will revert to the selected instrument.

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Unread post by Saul » Tue May 09, 2017 1:25 pm

m.tarenskeen wrote:This review would not be complete without this amazing, recently discovered, easter egg:

Turn off the CP.
Place the instrument selector button midway between any two instruments.
Make sure it stays there when you take your hand away.
Turn on the CP.
You now have an acoustic piano sound. The instrument indicator will state RdI, even if it's actually between Clv and Toy, for example.
Turn the knob either way and it will revert to the selected instrument.

:o
Yeah that's what we have actually been talking about. woodshedjones discovered it first although didn't know how he did it until recently.

Great thing to have on the reface cp though. Get rid of that useless 'Toy Piano' and give it a proper Acoustic Piano preset!
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Unread post by AJay » Wed May 10, 2017 5:29 pm

Saul wrote:@Chris They in particular took issue with my review of the Montage, will tell you about it later.
So, what did they dislike about it?
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Unread post by Saul » Wed May 10, 2017 5:55 pm

Well AJay I think in particular my comparisons with Kronos and also how expensive it was. To be fair I can be a little sarcastic at times and that probably didn't help matters however I did also say Montage was a great keyboard and I have been saying that for quite a while. In fact I have spent the best part of the last 12 months promoting the merits of Montage all over the web, through social media, youtube and various forums and discussions. It's always the negative that stands out though :(
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Unread post by AJay » Wed May 10, 2017 6:11 pm

Did they not actually state the issue though?

I have pointed out in the past that comparisons with Kronos/Oasys isn't an apples and apples situation. Rather like comparing the SY77/TG77 to the SY85/TG500, each will do sounds that the other won't and has features that the other doesn't.
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Unread post by Saul » Wed May 10, 2017 7:40 pm

Probably best not to go into details given recent events. Will pm you so your up to speed on what happened.
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Re: reface cp hands-on review

Unread post by AJay » Wed May 10, 2017 7:50 pm

Okie dokie.

Had a quick read through your review and couldn't find anything obvious. Certainly wasn't anything like a scathing review, maybe I missed something somewhere.
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Unread post by AndyHornBlower » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:01 am

EDIT:

I somehow missed the fact that there were five more pages of discussion about this, until after I posted it - which I will now go back and read :)

FWIW, here's the links I found, which I expect you've seen already.

woodshedjones wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:35 pm
Yeah I've had no luck in producing this mystery sound. I can assure you it was no April fools attempt! :lol: I have lots of videos of me playing the piano sound. But unless i can get a way to recreate it i will have to admit defeat.

Still waiting on any replies from another Yamaha synth forum.
I came across some examples of this earlier... I'll now attempt to find the relevant links again...

Starting with this review by sonicstate; there's a comment that says you put the voice selector knob at 12 o'clock, and get it to stay there, where there's no detent, apparently, and turn the power on.



It was a reply to another comment, which was at the top when I looked. He gives a link to a video where he's allegedly demonstrating doing it:

"
recrof 2 months ago
and you get acoustic piano for free when you turn TYPE knob to 12'o clock (that's technically undefined position)
see here: https://streamable.com/drxyp
"

I found another video where someone had found it by accident, but didn't know how. There's a comment with a link to a demo of how to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVmmhfb ... e=youtu.be

The demo link was an unlisted one, but since he posted it publicly in a youtube comment, I don't see why I shouldn't repeat it:



and again, in Italian:



I found a thread about it on Gearslutz too, but I won't link to it in case that's against the policy. It covers the same ground anyway.

Assuming this is not just an elaborate hoax, I have to wonder what the reasoning is. If I had the money to spend on one, having the acoustic piano sound would make me more likely to buy it.

The fact that it's not an official feature, and that Yamaha deny its existence, suggests they might want to remove it in another firmware update (as mentioned on Gearslutz - that occurred to me too). If I bought one, I'd want to make sure it had it, and I'd want confirmation that it wasn't going to disappear, before I updated the firmware.

It all seems a bit odd.

As Saul said (more or less) this is the only one of the Reface series that interests me.

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Re: reface cp hands-on review

Unread post by DarylWise » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:37 am

AndyHornBlower wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:01 am
EDIT:

I somehow missed the fact that there were five more pages of discussion about this, until after I posted it - which I will now go back and read :)

FWIW, here's the links I found, which I expect you've seen already.

woodshedjones wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:35 pm
Yeah I've had no luck in producing this mystery sound. I can assure you it was no April fools attempt! :lol: I have lots of videos of me playing the piano sound. But unless i can get a way to recreate it i will have to admit defeat.

Still waiting on any replies from another Yamaha synth forum.
I came across some examples of this earlier... I'll now attempt to find the relevant links again...

Starting with this review by sonicstate; there's a comment that says you put the voice selector knob at 12 o'clock, and get it to stay there, where there's no detent, apparently, and turn the power on.



It was a reply to another comment, which was at the top when I looked. He gives a link to a video where he's allegedly demonstrating doing it:

"
recrof 2 months ago
and you get acoustic piano for free when you turn TYPE knob to 12'o clock (that's technically undefined position)
see here: https://streamable.com/drxyp
"

I found another video where someone had found it by accident, but didn't know how. There's a comment with a link to a demo of how to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVmmhfb ... e=youtu.be

The demo link was an unlisted one, but since he posted it publicly in a youtube comment, I don't see why I shouldn't repeat it:



and again, in Italian:



I found a thread about it on Gearslutz too, but I won't link to it in case that's against the policy. It covers the same ground anyway.

Assuming this is not just an elaborate hoax, I have to wonder what the reasoning is. If I had the money to spend on one, having the acoustic piano sound would make me more likely to buy it.

The fact that it's not an official feature, and that Yamaha deny its existence, suggests they might want to remove it in another firmware update (as mentioned on Gearslutz - that occurred to me too). If I bought one, I'd want to make sure it had it, and I'd want confirmation that it wasn't going to disappear, before I updated the firmware.

It all seems a bit odd.

As Saul said (more or less) this is the only one of the Reface series that interests me.
Hi Andy.

No worries about sharing that link. The video is unlisted because the video content does not match the content of my channel overall is all.
Feel free to share the link. :)

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Re: reface cp hands-on review

Unread post by AndyHornBlower » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:46 am

Thanks, Daryl :)

Yes, I just saw your post with that video in it, a couple of minutes ago - I just finished reading the thread.

I had the same thought Saul did about them all really being based on that acoustic piano sound - making this phenomenon a Wizard of Oz moment we weren't supposed to see - "Pay no attention to the man behind the screen".

On reflection though, it's probably easier to sample 6 different instruments than to try to make six very realistic variations out of one sample.

But, yes - if I ever buy one, I want my acoustic piano! I'll make sure it's in there before I leave the shop :)

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