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Unread post by Derek » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:59 am

Hi,

Given that the AN1x family got its own forum a few weeks back, it made me think that there was no sub forum where you could easily place the FS1r, so I suggested to Saul that maybe we ought to have one, and here we are! :)

I probably don't have much to say right now other than I've been an FS1r owner since 2005, and it was they only eBay Auction where I went straight for the "Buy It Now" price of £300.

So, I guess the first thing is to see how many other people have FS1rs.

When I get five minutes, I'll make some links to the FS1r resources that I know of.


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Unread post by Clyde » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:56 pm

Good to see the FS1r forum, I do wonder how many users there are here. We'll soon see, I know it gets mentioned often.
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Unread post by stickman » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:30 pm

I have an FS1r. I keep meaning to dump my DX7II sounds into it.



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Unread post by Derek » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:59 pm

That's what I did before selling my DX7II. fs.factory will convert whole files, so you may be interested in checking that out. As you may well know, the FS1r can read DX7 and DX7II data, but only Edit Buffer files.


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Unread post by db7 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:37 pm

Does “Edit Buffer” correspond to SysEx? If so, I presume fs.factory can convert other formats to the latter anyway. ;)

I’ll probably get an FS1R one day…



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Unread post by Derek » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:16 pm

All Yamaha synths have two types of SYSEX data for voices (and sometimes other data). One for Bulk Memory Dumps and one for the Voice Edit Buffer. The former allow you to save and reload the patch memories. The latter allow programs to load the edit buffer and then via other messages edit individual parameters.

Yamaha had a great idea in allowing the FS1r to read DX7 and DX7II edit buffer data, but why did they not also allow the memory dumps to be read by the FS1r? If you have lots of DX7 and DX7II bulk dumps that you want to convert, it's frustrating that you have to do this a voice at a time, and even worse you need a program that takes the bulk dumps and can fire over the data as edit buffer dumps (which as well as being only for one voice are in a different format to the memory dumps).

So I wrote fs.factory so that it could (using my dx.factory file routines) load a DX7 memory file, and for each voice it then sends it to the FS1r in DX7 edit buffer format and then reads it back in FS1r format. In this way the FS1r still does the conversion (why reinvent the wheel?), but fs.factory saves you all the time and frustration of doing the conversion a voice at time.


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Re: New FS1r Forum

Unread post by db7 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:44 pm

OK, so it’s as simple as single- vs. multi-voice patches. Thanks for the clarification.

And thanks for offering a much-needed solution to the awkward native method of importing, of course!

Although (despite its limitations) the ability to import data from the DX7(II) is a great feature, I can only wish Yamaha included the same thing in the 77/99. It’s not like it would have hurt them economically, quite the opposite: people considering the 77/99 would have had another reason to want it, and those wanting easy compatibility with the DX7 would have the temptation to spend much more money on its much more fully featured (would-be) successor(s). Perhaps it was due at least in part to the differing implementations of various features of the FM engines, but as we know, none of those are so pronounced as to preclude conversion; in fact, with a proper converting program, the results are so accurate as to be equivalent for almost all patches and listeners. And that says nothing of the many other features that are available in the 77/99, which would surely win some users over as they tried to decide between those or a DX7.

I think all of these things illustrate yet again how Yamaha seem to have a habit of accompanying their great ideas with bad ideas or at least foot-shooting. ;)

P.S. I seem to have a vague recollection of possibly reading that the FS1R (yes, apparently it has a capital R :P) can also import patches from 4-op DX/TX synths? Maybe I’m wrong and was dreaming or something, haha. Maybe it was the DX7 that could load 4-op patches, but I’m equally unsure about that.

P.P.S. Do pop over and lend your fingers and ears as an owner of an AN1x if you have time. :)



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