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Yamaha RM50 Firmware versions - post yours here

Unread post by tux » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:01 pm

With the help of Sonus I found out how to display the firmware version of the Yamaha RM50.

Let's find out which different firmware versions exist for the RM50.

- Switch off RM50

- Press and hold PLAY + MACRO + SOUND while pressing the Power On button:
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- You will see a display like this for about one second:
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Please post your firmware version and date here, as you can see mine is: 1.06 92-07-08
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Unread post by Ego_Shredder » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:30 pm

Mine is exactly the same version and date as yours :mrgreen:
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Unread post by tux » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:55 am

Ego_Shredder wrote:Mine is exactly the same version and date as yours :mrgreen:
Thanks. Anybody else? I'm still curious whether there is a newer firmware version or if we have the newest one.
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Unread post by Miks » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:14 am

Just grabbed my RM50... thanks to tux for his hint! :mrgreen: The firmware is 1.05 92-06-06.
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Unread post by tux » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:25 am

Miks wrote:Just grabbed my RM50... thanks to tux for his hint! :mrgreen: The firmware is 1.05 92-06-06.
I wonder what the differences are? Probably just a small bugfix.
There is only one chip inside the RM50 that is socketed, if that's the ROM I could mail it to you for you to make a copy, but I have no idea if it's the ROM or not, you would need to find this out first.
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Unread post by EX5_etc » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:08 pm

Hi tux.

I had to take the RM50 out of the closet and test it for you. The data I see on the screen is 1.06 and 92-07-08. I don't know if there is a newer firmware version out there but considering that it is not a well known unit or one that sold in big numbers I would be surprised if there was anything beyond 1.07 or so. Revisions usually take place when there is a significantly high number of reports by the users that warrants additional effort by the manufacturer to fix an issue.

I cannot locate on Yamaha's history of products page when the RM50 was produced for the first time; it looks exactly the same like the TG500 that was produced in 1992 so we can assume that like the TG500 it did not have a long production run. Both were top quality units but going through the many menus by pressing those little buttons and looking at a tiny screen was not the way to go.

One device that I would like to see from Yamaha would be a "box" with a big graphics display (such as the one of the QY700) and midi connections that could control all the parameters of any of their tone generators and other similar devices by means of "skins" or "configuration" files available for free to the user. Sort of like a computer running a software program but smaller, more customizable and more dedicated in terms of functionality. It should have the ability to control up to four devices. It should not be a midi recorder and it should not have a tone generator of any kind. Simply a controller selling for maybe up to $400. I would buy that in a heartbeat.

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Unread post by Clyde » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:41 pm

The RM50 was released in 1993.
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Unread post by tux » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:32 pm

EX5_etc wrote: I had to take the RM50 out of the closet and test it for you. The data I see on the screen is 1.06 and 92-07-08.
Thanks for the effort, much appreciated. So far you, Ego_Shredder and myself all have 1.06, while Miks has 1.05, so we know at least two different firmware revisions exist out in the wild.

My RM50 actually has a date stamped on the board (pretty much in the middle, near the battery) which is 95 3 16, so I would guess that means mine was manufactured in March 1995 which would mean that the RM50 was actually manufactured for at least 2 years.

BTW, if you need a 'controller' for the RM50 try out my RM50 Manager program, it's free too, no $400 needed. :wink:
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Unread post by EX5_etc » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:05 am

Clyde wrote:The RM50 was released in 1993.
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Hi Clyde. I think I'll show you a red card on this one. Well, maybe a yellow... :mrgreen:

I decided to open the RM50 something I don't think I have done in the past. Sixteen screws later I was looking at the main PCB and sniffing that virgin smell of electronics that have not seen the light of day for 20 years. I don't have a date near the battery, I found it near the lower left corner of the bard. It is printed as "92 X.29" and that to me means 29th week of 1992, sometime in July. There is a big Yamaha chip on the PCB, IC1, with 1992 printed on it. The firmware chip, IC15 by Yamaha, also has 1992 printed on it. A smaller chip by Yamaha has 1991 printed on it.

Last is the official brochure I have saved since I first got it back in my old country. The square below the Yamaha logo states "LCK9207" and based on what I see on other brochures I translate this as July of 1992.

Those were the days... poor student with barely a dime in my pocket going to the Yamaha store and drooling over the objects of my desire. At least they gave me the brochures for free. Ten years later I bought the RM50, after I had bought the TG500 and other "toys" first. Twenty years later and I still have not used it. In fact I have not touched a key of any of my toys in months. Somehow the inspiration is not there. So back in the closet it goes for who knows how many years. Under different circumstances it would have gotten its own blue screen as the TG500 did. Perhaps later on in the future.

Thanks for the software offer tux. I have a piece of software for the TG55, perhaps another for the TG500, another for the QY100, and so on and on. I don't like to use a computer with my instruments unless absolutely necessary. I am old school. I still have 3-4 hardware sequencers around.

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Unread post by Clyde » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:26 am

Those dates sound about right, mid to late '92 would be about right for a '93 released product. And I'm not sure how accurate the '93 release date is, the RM50 was not on Yamaha's historical timeline I usually refer to, so I went with the consensus of several review sites. We are at least in the ballpark on the date of release.
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Unread post by EX5_etc » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:50 am

I am not sure either to say the truth because I do not recall when I first saw it on display. But it makes no difference really. The RM50 along with the TG500 went almost un-noticed despite the power the latter (and perhaps the former too) featured. Real beast. But it had the fate of the QS300. That synth was one of the few with aftertouch and yet it sells for very little money these days despite the many many features and voices it has. The reason I believe was the same for all three of them: too many features, too few buttons. Nobody wants to scroll through the menus during a live performance.

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Unread post by Clyde » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:13 pm

I think there were a lot of synths and gear from the early to mid '90s that just didn't sell all that well. You would think that the TG500 would have rolled out the store as fast as Yamaha could make them.
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Unread post by tux » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:23 pm

Clyde wrote:I think there were a lot of synths and gear from the early to mid '90s that just didn't sell all that well. You would think that the TG500 would have rolled out the store as fast as Yamaha could make them.
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I think the TG500 sold very well, at least in Europe. There are loads available on ebay (Germany, UK) all the time (somebody must have bought them from new at the time).

In 1993 I was looking to buy my first synth and I was looking specifically for a rack module and my shortlist effectively was either the Yamaha TG500 or the Korg 05R/W. I chose the Korg because it was cheaper and because I preferred the compact half rack size for practical reasons, but I was very close to getting the TG500 instead as I liked the fact it had double the polyphony (64 vs. 32) and it had a resonant filter which the Korg didn't have.

In other words the TG500 was very competitive and certainly must have been a popular choice at least until Roland released the JV-1080 in 1994.
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Unread post by Clyde » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:36 pm

Not that I've kept track of availability of the TG500 here, but over the years I've not seen that many of them for sale here in the US, perhaps just because I was not looking for them.
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Unread post by EX5_etc » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:16 pm

Clyde wrote:Not that I've kept track of availability of the TG500 here, but over the years I've not seen that many of them for sale here in the US, perhaps just because I was not looking for them.
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I have been looking at pawn shops, ebay and other online sellers of used equipment for many years. There are very few of those modules in the US. That goes for the TG55 and other similar ones. They sold better in Europe, perhaps because everything is expensive over there as I recall and when you are on a budget you keep the old keys and you simply add racks. Certain governments in Europe happen to believe that synths are luxury items and hit the instruments with high taxes (16% and higher). At least here in the states sale taxes are somewhat lower (0% to 9%) and we don't pay any if we buy something at another state. Economies with high taxation are not productive economies in my opinion. Money has to flow and taxes don't help in that direction.

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